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David D. Baker wrote:

Good day,

I read so much about the Catholic Faith and the Masonic organization and I have to ask:

  1. How can the Catholic Church, and Her Faith continue to degrade an organization they have no understanding of?

  2. Why does the Catholic Faith state the Masonic organization is a secret society; when in fact, if it is a secret society, how does the public know about it?

  3. Is there something more than the so-called secrets and the duality of religion that makes the Catholic Faith despise Masons?

  4. If Catholics preach forgiveness and there is something that may have taken place over 400—500 years ago: why has there been no forgiveness?

Thank you,

David D. Baker

  { How can the Catholic Church degrade Masonic organizations when they don't understanding them? }

Eric replied:

Hi, David —

You said:

  1. How can the Catholic Church, and Her Faith continue to degrade an organization they have no understanding of?
    and
  2. Why does the Catholic Faith state the Masonic organization is a secret society; when in fact, if it is a secret society, how does the public know about it?


    • What makes you think the Church has no understanding of them?
    • If an organization demonstrably opposes your religion, and publicly claims to teach things contrary to the Gospel, is that not enough?

    The objection the Church has, is not to Masons being secret, but to:

    • their beliefs, as they are known
    • their practices, and
    • their historical attempts to oppose and undermine the Catholic faith.

    Also, from our perspective, Masonry is a religion in its own right, and so being a Catholic is incompatible with being a Mason.

    Here is just one example. Being a Mason involves blood oaths — threats of bodily harm if a member discloses Masonry's secrets. Obviously, there are moral problems with this, even if you argue no one follows through on the threats. There are secret Masonic signs you can use to enlist the aid of another Mason.

    For example, if you're on trial, and you make the Masonic sign to the jury, any Mason on that jury is supposed to do whatever they can to derail the case and ensure you aren't convicted. This is contrary to justice.

    Of course discussing this with a Mason is fruitless since they can't admit they have such things by definition. Otherwise . . . across the throat. On the other hand, you can't exactly call up your local Masonic lodge and order a copy of the rituals to prove I am correct, I'll grant you that. Nevertheless, there are lots of reasons, some demonstrably provable, some less so, to oppose Masonry.


    A secret society doesn't mean that no one knows about it. It means that their rituals and knowledge are not disclosed by the organization who strives to keep them secret.

    Non-members are not invited to Masonic rituals, and in fact there are multiple levels of initiation so those of the first degree don't know the secrets of the 33rd degree.


  3. Is there something more than the so-called secrets and the duality of religion that makes the Catholic Faith despise Masons?

    I am not sure what you mean by the duality of religion.

  4. If Catholics preach forgiveness and there is something that may have taken place over 400—500 years ago: why has there been no forgiveness?

    It depends on what you mean by forgiveness.

    • If by forgiveness you mean reconciliation and an end to enmity, and
    • if Masonry is still teaching what they were teaching, and
    • it is still incompatible with the Catholic faith:

      There can be no reconciliation: We must still oppose Masonry.

    Also there is a lot of suspicion since historically Masonry has attempted to operate in secret as well as keep their beliefs, rituals, and knowledge secret. It's hard to know whether there is a genuine change in Masonry or whether they are just pretending to be good so we'll trust them and let down our guard so they can knife us in the back.

    I suspect there isn't a lot of motivation to have any sort of peace with the Masons since there are so few of them and since there is an unclear benefit to doing so.

Hope this helps,

Eric

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